The amendment itself doesn't look too bad. It certainly doesn't suggest that there won't be appropriate bag limits and season restrictions, so to RM's point, I highly doubt it would result in the eradication of all Arizona's wildlife. In fact, it actually says "Laws and rules authorized under this section shall have the purpose of wildlife conservation and management and preserving the future of hunting and fishing." That seems like a reasonable enough provision to put in a state constitution. And although there is potential for a lot of argument over what constitutes "unreasonable" restrictions on hunting and fishing, remember that the U.S. Constitution itself contains similar vague passages ("Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed...")

So the amendment doesn't really seem to change anything. Thus I agree with you that its main purpose is to give wackos a political platform and I'd probably vote no, but neither should it be great cause for alarm.

Hunting + fishing = preferred method of animal control?

Yes, I think if there's an overpopulation of animals it makes sense to deal with the problem by eating them, don't you? Waste not, want not. Of course, this only works for species that taste good.

nah i prefer poisoning the water and then killing animals and throwing them at other animals so they get the idea

hunting and eating animals is overrated imo guyz

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I just eat animals. I don't shoot'em.

Man, I don't usually go for killing animals (except fishing), but I wish I could eat them more. Meat's too expensive to really eat outside of the very infrequent going out to eat.

ya, but bullets are cheap.

beyond being something i dont enjoy doing, i figure cleaning has to be a pretty big waste of my time.

lets say that im nearly as efficient (doubtful as that may be) as a cleaning service and can get done in three hours what they can do in two. if tutoring, i can net the expense in two hours. if buying/selling books, i can net it in a bit over one. each is a more enjoyable activity, too.

...and i certainly dont want to rock the conservative radio boat on what it means to be a member of the 'liberal elite,' either. next week im going to figure out how to give less to charity. and im pretty sure a special someone is getting me a 'radical terrorist friend' for my birthday, too! oh, wait, my cleaning service isnt 'eco-friendly.' never mind.

This is what graduating from college and getting a job and the culmination of 16 years of education is all about.

The ability to eat animals more frequently.

But there are no animal species in AZ that taste good.

Are you high? Deer are delicious.

AZ = inhospitable desert

EDIT: Also, no, they aren't.

They're amazing, i don't know what you're talking about. One of the best meals i ever had was BBQ pulled venison.

Admittedly, the people in SJ may just be bad at everything.

But having had deer and elk, I'm not a fan. Give me Brazilian sirloin.

...I hope. I need protein from something other than peanut butter.
Also, Jonesy, that may be what bullets are for, but the far more common use of bullets here in East Bay is for people. Besides, I'm not sure if you can even hunt in a metropolitan area.

Depends. Do you have a badge?

Rules vary. In Alaska, you are normally allowed to hunt with bows but not guns.

Considering I'm in California, I'm guessing not at all.

Most places I'm fairly sure that hunting within a metropolitan area is a no-no. Also, firing a gun within a certain distance of a house is also illegal. Those facts combined with how poor hunting tends to be in cities means you should go elsewhere for food

Also, I haven't had venison bbq or anything, but deer jerky is usually pretty damn good.

PS: Got paid 1500 dollars not too bad, great weather and leaving tomorrow for Dallas to OU weekend. Life is good

Good luck. Don't pull a UCLA.

Thanks we'll see, I'm sure they'll do their best not sure if they are good enough to win, but definitely going to see an improvement I'm sure. Either way we'll have fun this weekend.

Seasoned deer burger and sausage. Neighbor had some leftovers that hadn't been cooked yet when Ike took out the power, so I grilled it for them so it wouldn't spoil. My mouth was watering the entire time, the smell was amazing.
And it tasted pretty good too.

EDIT: basically, if your venison tastes bad, inflict pain upon the cook, because they're doing it wrong.

PS: I can now play "Van Helsing Boombox". Party music time just got so much better.

UC: econ midterm
HR: can seem to make myself study.

Do I really want to be an econ major?

i'm gonna be clear and say there's no way texas beats ou.

Been there before. Answer is no.

Um that's not true. Yes we're not going to be expected to win, but you are delusional to think we have no chance of winning. Our defense is still very good and OU hasn't looked that great either.

You know, that's how I'm leaning.

...wait...wait...what's that?
I hear the 260 yards of the previously ineffective UCLA rushing "attack" calling.
They say "BS! BS!"

Idk if you watched the game, but what happened was we wore down they just got too tired, plus OU prefers to pass and we have arguably the best secondary in the country. By running UCLA took those guys out of the game and any chance of forcing turnovers that won't be the case this Saturday.

God this week just gets worse and worse.

Mom might get audited because my tax info got handled with care by our friendly USPS and so now it's like too late to do a damn thing.

Girlfriend and I nearly "broke up" which actually just means we got into another brawl, it's over now though, yaaaay.

Still no job, no prospects, no money.

I am going to just take all my money and run away to cliched Mexico.

And become a successful drug cartel leader. My 6 months cash handling experience make me a shoe in probably.

Lot easier to get in the business with weapons training, actually.

I think I just found my life's calling...

That sucks, iMatt. When you do become a drug kingpin though, let us know if you need some lawyer and accountant types.

Also, maybe I've just read "The Most Dangerous Game" too many times, but hunting always seemed a bit unsporting to me. Shooting some dumb animal from thirty yards away with a rifle or compound bow (even if you plan to eat the thing) just seems like overkill. When animals come equipped with rocket packs and lasers, then we'll talk.

Basically:

That depends. Are you worthy?

If not, I'm sure there's room in supply chain...

Unsporting? What about raising an animal in captivity so that it spends its entire life in a pen or a barn for the sole purpose of being slaughtered for food? Either way, I concede we're taking advantage of our superior intellect and skills to kill a less sophisticated creature - but if you think that's immoral, you should become a vegetarian. There's absolutely no case that farming animals is morally preferable to hunting.

Maybe you didn't notice, but they had beaten previously ranked Houston the week before with that same rushing attack. Destroyed them, really.

Oh wait, you're very familiar with the pistol offense. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA


...

No, seriously...Ucla's rushing offense is good.

Compound Bows are for wimps. I love my recurve.

PS: OU WEEKEND IS FINALLY HERE!!! LEAVING IN A COUPLE HOURS ON A PARTY BUS!!!

There is only one true Manly Bow. And it is the English longbow.

Seriously, English longbowmen are some of the most BA dudes ever.

have you ever tried to creep through brush carrying a longbow? In movies, forests are nice and clear (unless the good guy needs something to hide behind), but in real life, those longbows are useless.

Try hunting big game in Africa. Don't miss. Nothing short of a .50 Barrett will feel like overkill, I promise.

PS: econ exam over
HR: I finished by the skin of my teeth.

Which is at least a little bit ironic, considering your good buddy and mine J.S. Mill was a pretty staunch advocate of the state intervening when individuals couldn't reach the optimal outcome themselves. Not really the biggest fan of democracy, that dude.

I'm probably of a mind to take the welfare state position here.



Seconded.

Proof: Agincourt.

It's a long bow, you don't have to sneak up on anything, you just shoot it from 200 yards away.

I already am a vegetarian, so huzzah for logical consistency. It just seems kind of goofy to me that people can get so excited about hunting deer and varmints and whatnot. If you're hunting dinosaurs or something, yeah, that's awesome. I could totally see why people would get excited about that. As is, it seems like a lot of time, effort, and expense for something that's pretty one sided.

If you're raising animals for food, it's because they're tasty and nutritious rather than because it's fun to shoot them. It's also unsporting, but it's not done for sport. I don't really have a moral stand here. I just don't see the thrill in bagging something that's neither going to outwit or disembowel you.

It's not fun to step on ants or to slaughter a cow, and I don't see the fun in shooting random woodland critters. An angry bear or lion? Sure. A shipwreck survivor on your secret island? Absolutely. Something dumb and harmless? I just don't get the enthusiasm.



I have a recurve too. It's a lot of fun.

Since you guys seem to know so much about archery, if I were interested in starting/getting a bow and all that crap, what would be the best place/bow/all that stuff to start with?

Clearly your first act as evil dictator should be to placate/mutilate the masses by reviving the dinosaurs and opening hunting reserves.