Post for LA schools to post and discuss Round 1 competition on November 19th.

In the interest of transparency and giving TX something to worry about.

Transparency?!?!? What is that?

I expect to see 64 schools at six different sites throughout LA Unified taking the seven Round One tests on 11/19. Mr. Old Guy Broken Record will again say that the primary objective of this event is to give the Coaches a good indication of what they need to focus on leading up to the real competition 1/28 and 2/4/12. For the historians in the crowd, you can confirm that the teams that come out with "the highest scores" in R1 are usually scrambled in the order of finish when it comes to R2. At any rate, let the speculation begin!

Aside from not being part of LAUSD, I will speculate that many LAUSD schools will leap out ahead of my team. And then, like you said the order gets all topsy-turvy so that we can catch a few (but not usually enough) of the rabbits.

Whoa...Cali posts scores? I wouldn't have thunk it.

Cali used to have nothing to hide. Scores were posted all over the place.

Then everyone turned into a bunch of wusses overnight.

gotdamn punk kids.

I expect the LAUSD coaches to receive an email with all the scores soon after the 19th, yes?

what tests did my team take at el rancho on friday then.

Predictions fun?

1. Marshall - Didn't we hear something about several returners on this board? Plus, third time's the charm. Also my pick to win California: state 2011 showed Marshall can blow away superpowers like ECR and Granada in math when they need to, and state 2010 proved the same thing for subjectives. Now if only they can consolidate these strengths.

2. Franklin - Up-and-coming team aiming for legendary status.

3. El Camino Real - Roughly 30,000, as usual.

4. Granada Hills Charter - Returning a stellar honors? They'll stay strong.

5. Taft
6. Palisades
7. Garfield
8. Los Angeles

As usual? ECR always got something in the mid-20000s throughout the last decade until they stopped sandbagging(YEAH I SAID IT JANOWSKI) recently.

At any rate, LAUSD scrimmages have become pretty unpredictable lately. I wouldn't be shocked if some team no one was gunning for posted something huge. But I'll put my money on Marshall for now.

agreed, this will be a great meet. good luck to Clif and all the teams! i expect lots of great scores.

We should be getting these results sometime today, I can't wait to see how Cali and Texas are stacking up. I would think we'll at least see two or three over 30k, and the highest team just below 32k. Of course, could be way wrong, and the tests could be extremely difficult.

Granada Hills. 33k. O.M.G.

This is insane. C'mon Texas, where's the 34k?

dang man. that's like 785 points per test.

Two other teams over 30K.

I keep refreshing this page (while simultaneously checking my email) in the hopes that the official results will be posted, but no such luck. This is what I look like right now: I hate being addicted to this ridiculous competition sometimes.

But only sometimes.

This is precisely how I feel. Mr. Abuelo, please think about us poor AD-addicted people.. :-p

Fortunately, I got these via email - thank you, anonymous LAUSD person.

Overall Teams
Granada Hills 33496
El Camino Real 30885
Marshall 30319
Franklin 29529
Van Nuys 24987
Stockdale 24829
Taft 24696
Narbonne 24302
Bell 23876
Palisades 23593
Los Angeles 22967
Hamilton 22884
Garfield 22741
West Valley 21814
North Hollywood 20663
Francis Poly 20662
Dorsey 19652
Grant 19139
King Drew 18381
Downtown Magnet 17845
San Pedro 17821
Kennedy 17735
Lincoln 17699
SOCES 17129
Manual Arts 16316
Reseda 16261
Canoga Park 16226
Chatsworth 16116
Harbor TP 16079
Banning 15939
Belmont 15694
Bravo 15662
South Gate 15156

Honors
Granada Hills 6016
Granada Hills 5788
Granada Hills 5697
El Camino Real 5581
Granada Hills 5579
El Camino Real 5516
El Camino Real 5440
Marshall 5414
Granada Hills 5376
Marshall 5196

Scholastics
Granada Hills 5667
El Camino Real 5525
Granada Hills 5457
Taft 5101
Franklin 5077
Marshall 4989
Granada Hills 4931
El Camino Real 4894
Granada Hills 4811
Marshall 4802

Varsities
Franklin 5392
Granada Hills 5357
Marshall 5282
Granada Hills 5211
El Camino Real 4760
Franklin 4655
Palisades 4641
Marshall 4636
El Camino Real 4609
Bell 4424

Math
Granada Hills 4171
ECR 4000
Marshall 3429
Palisades 3143
Taft 2971
Stockdale 2914
Narbonne 2657
Franklin 2629
Bell 2571
Grant 2229

Super Quiz
Franklin 5300
Marshall 5050
ECR 4525
Van Nuys 4350
Granada Hills 4225
Los Angeles 4050
NoHo 4000
Taft 3925
Garfield 3875
Stockdale 3775


Economics
Granada Hills 5720
Marshall 5400
ECR 5320
Franklin 5040
Hamilton 4900
Narbonne 4600
Stockdale 4500
Palisades 4400
Bell 4280
Van Nuys 4060

Science
Granada Hills 4620
ECR 3720
Taft 3700
Marshall 3640
Narbonne 3560
Franklin 3140
Los Angeles 3020
Palisades 2980
Van Nuys 2880
NoHo 2760

Language & Literature
ECR 4280
Marshall 4040
Granada Hills 3940
Franklin 3540
Van Nuys 3480
Garfield 3480
Stockdale 3440
Narbonne 3300
Bell 3200
Taft 3060

Art
Granada Hills 5600
Franklin 5220
Van Nuys 4820
Marshall 4760
ECR 4500
Los Angeles 4220
West Valley 4140
Stockdale 4100
Bell 4080
Garfield 4020

Music
Granada Hills 5220
Franklin 4660
ECR 4540
Marshall 4000
Hamilton 3880
Bell 3800
Los Angeles 3480
West Valley 3480
Stockdale 3480
Francis Poly 3460

That econ score... O.O

Yeah! Go econ power guide!

Dat LAUSD.

Except there's one problem. These numbers don't match the ones I have. Which ones are right? Are these the official scores? Or are the handwritten ones from the school sites considered correct?

Well....those are impressive. Being new to other states, how does 33K rank in comparison to other years? Does Pearland have a shot at that kind of score?

33K is extremely high. If anyone else in the nation is over 31K I would be very surprised.

And I can assume correctly these were USAD Rd 1? Some tests were easy, but not THAT easy...

Yes, they were USAD Round 1 Tests.

Well I didn't think we were gonna win nationals anyway.

Anything over 30k usually means come round 2 time, you're going to be in that 48k+ range...so yes, it's a very impressive score.

Yea those are awesome scores, Granada Hills especially seems to have a remarkable team. I feel like numerous teams in Texas could break 30 k, but its a question of if anyone can get close to Granada Hills. I could see 32k teams, but I dont know about 33...

Well, NoHo had extremely high round 1 scores in the recent past too(of the 33k+ variety), but ultimately their growth was exceeded by other teams as the season went by. It's important to remember that whoever's on top now is just the team off to the fastest start. Winners are never guaranteed.

Lol come on bud, don't shoot us down this quickly

You can see past scrimmage scores here: http://demidecscores.gilslotd.com/wiki/Scrimmages, showing that what OCM said is very true. Perhaps the best example of teams getting an early start then falling behind later (showing that New Berlin Eisenhower can definitely still win Nationals )

California Round 1 2006-2007:
1. North Hollywood - 34,823
2. Granada Hills Charter - 32,114
3. Moorpark - 31,956
4. Mark Keppel - 29,406
5. Palisades Charter - 29,027
6. El Camino Real - 28,848

California State 2007
1. El Camino Real - 50,486.4
2. Granada Hills Charter - 50,276.3
3. Moorpark - 49,584.0
4. North Hollywood - 49,420.0
5. Palisades Charter - 46,612.9
...
11. Mark Keppel - 44,121.3

Not sure. I copied and pasted these from a "2011 LAUSD Academic Decathlon Scrimmage Report" Word Document that looks identical to the scrimmage "reports" from past years. My guess - the handwritten scores are unofficial "early results", while the Word document scores are official "final results"?

The scores on the AcDec Scores site look accurate to me.

I hope everyone remembers that there is a really long way to go before the real regional competition. And that everyone works very hard between now and then.

we are still in round 1, so lets who can take it this year!!!

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what i mean by that. is that there is a lot of time left in the year, and anybody from any team can win.

There may be a lot of time left in the year, but GHC seems to have a dominant and commanding lead, at least in LAUSD. They won five of the seven subjects, some of them by drastic amounts. And yes, other teams will catch up and GHC will slow down thanks to diminishing returns, but the difference of roughly 2,500 points is a lot for any team to catch up on. Also, considering that whatever Granada Hills did before this meet to get them their lead will likely continue after Rd. 1, it's hard for me to see any team catch up to them. While what you did in the past does not necessarily reflect what will happen in the future, it's safe to say that GHC's awesomeness will continue. Definitely a 50k team as well.

We have our meet in about 2.5 weeks. I would like to believe we could get 33k. I could also be completely crazy.

Let me remind you these are all objective scores. We have no idea how strong these teams are in the subjectives and in years past, several LAUSD leaders after round 1 lost their leads directly because of their subjective scores even if their objective scores kept growing.

I remember last year when I looked at GH's subjective scores at State, they weren't that good. But at Nats they did AMAZING. So I think that apart from the inflation of sub scores at Nats compared to Cali state, these coaches know how to improve on subjectives, no matter how bad they may be. I vote GH to win Cali state again.

Yeah...still way to early to count anyone out, especially when a team like ECR is still within striking distance.

Ditto on that, TJ. There are some phenomenal Coaches and Decathletes here and a long, long way to go until regionals. And I really doubt that teams across the Country, especially in Texas, will just sit, mope, and concede anything to anyone.

Well, when we talk about a team like NoHo giving up points and not winning after posting astronomical round 1 scores, it was mostly due to terrible subs as OCM pointed out. However, Granada Hills has fairly stellar subs and last year, they actually came from behind at Round 1 to claim 1st over Marshall. The last two times someone had such a dominant lead in Cali this early were the two Moorpark years back in '08-'09; they cruised in '08 winning by over 1,500 and beating ECR in '09 by almost 1,000. And I don't believe Moorpark ever had the lead the GHC just put up.

We never had any idea what sort of scrimmage scores Moorpark really had because they kept those secret and we were only getting vague estimates, so it's a moot point. The only scores we ever got from them were during regionals, a full 3 months later, when they were posting some of the highest scores in acadec history.

To say any school will have stellar subs is way too presumptive. There's a reason why they're called subjectives. You get one judge in a bad mood and your entire competition can tank right then and there.

As someone who's personally had ECR comeback on him after being 5k down after round 1, I'm never going to count anyone out until nationals is over.

This is NOT a done deal.

2008 Moorpark: 34,248, and about 1,200 ahead of NoHo, and about the same ahead of Palisades, who would end up losing to MPK by 1,500

2009 Moorpark gave us a range from 32,500 to 33k, and ECR was 3,250-3,750 behind, end up within 1k.

Yes, you're referring to the days before time- when ECR would, as you have said, score relatively bad at round 1 and then demolish everyone the rest of the year. Well, ECR is already at 30k, just like they've been the last two years; 2010, they won over Marshall, about 1k ahead of them at Rd. 1, who doesn't really seem to adjust one way or the other over the course of the year, but tends to stay consistent. 2011? Granada Hills took them for 2,800 points, who weren't even that far ahead of them at Rd. 1 and who were behind Marshall.

Granada Hills has a MASSIVE lead on Cali, about 2,600 points, about 436 points per student. Even if ECR catches up to where they are now come regions, where does that put GHC? 35k? I've met the coaches from Granada Hills (at least one of them), and they definitely seem to know what they're doing- I have zero doubt that they will be the Cali team representing at nats.

The top teams overall scores usually move up about 16k-18k from round 1 to round 2. Sometimes, an exceptional team will find a way to move up 20k.

As I've found, 35-36k for objectives is usually as high as teams can go, barring crazy score inflation. When my team competed, our objectives went from 32525 to 35800+ at the end of round 2. This was still 500+ points ahead of Taylor, Simi Valley, Moorpark, and ECR...who ended up having higher scores than us anyway because of superior subjectives.

What does this all mean?

Nothing. But it's fun to play around with numbers.

That being said, I'm still not convinced any lead is safe and this is why we take the tests. I have zero doubt some judge will give someone a crappy essay score and someone will complain about it.

Dude...isn't is something like four months before they have their Round 3? Four months *ago*, a snapshot would have been entirely worthless. Give it time, my man, and protect your confidence intervals a little more. GHC put up a huge and tremendously respectable score, yes, but I wouldn't put the confidence interval of their winning state at anything more than around 50%.

Granted, that's a number most teams would kill for. But still.

You're right, it is very early, I am possibly getting ahead of myself. Four months ago, I would have taken all these scores with a grain of salt. But in that four months (or really, seven months or so), Granada Hills has currently shown that they have taken in the resources almost 10% better than the other top dogs; that's a lot of ground to make up in those seven subjects (and yes, there is subs, but Granada Hills will have no problems with that).

And hopefully that's a number a few Texas teams will be near