Jean-Antoine Watteau, Mezzetin, probably 1718–20
Jean Siméon Chardin, Soap Bubbles, c. 1734
Vincennes porcelain factory, Wine Cooler, 1753
Jean-Baptiste Greuze, Broken Eggs, 1756
François Boucher, Shepherd’s Idyll, 1768
Giovanni Paolo Panini, Modern Rome, 1757
Jacques-Louis David, The Death of Socrates, 1787
Carle Vernet, The Triumph of Aemilius Paulus, 1789
Joseph-Antoine Romagnési, Minerva Protecting the Young King of Rome, 1811
Théodore Gericault, Evening: Landscape with an Aqueduct, 1818
Émile-Jean-Horace Vernet, The Start of the Race of the Riderless Horses, by 1820
Émile-Jean-Horace Vernet, Stormy Coast Scene After a Shipwreck
Eugène Delacroix, Royal Tiger, 1829
Théodore Chasseriau, Young Jewish Woman of Algeria, Seated, 1846
Pompeo Girolamo Batoni, Portrait of a Young Man, c. 1760–65
Adélaïde Labille-Guiard, Self-Portrait with Two Pupils, Mademoiselle Marie Gabrielle Capet (1761–1818) and Mademoiselle Carreaux de Rosemond (died 1788), 1785
Jean-Antoine Houdon, Bust of Voltaire, 1778
Jean-Auguste-Dominique Ingres, Princesse de Broglie, 1851–53

Discuss.


My thoughts: we so called Death of Socrates.
That's a whole lotta Jeans.
was it mrrg or zzzptm who called Soap Bubbles?
I love me some Ingres.

Only one sculpture? Otherwise it looks pretty nice, very french, which was to be expected.

PRE-EMPTIVE ADMIN STRIKE

All silly discussion about studying a "wine cooler" should go to the silly discussions part of the forum.

That being said, yeah, lotta Jeans. Looks like we'll have to keep track of them with their last names. How about posting the images, then?

Jean Antoine Watteau: Mezzetin
Jean Simeno Chardin: Soap Bubbles
Vincennes porcelain factory: Wine Cooler
Jean-Baptiste Greuze: Broken Eggs
Francois Boucher: Shepherd's Idyll
Giovanni Paolo Panini: Modern Rome
Jacques-Louis David: The Death of Socrates
Carle Vernet: The Triumph of Aemilius Paulus
Joseph-Antoine Romagnesi: Minerva Protecting the Young King of Rome
Theodore Gericault: Evening: Landscape With and Aqueduct
Horace Vernet: The Start of the Race of the Riderless Horses
Horace Vernet: Stormy Coast Scene after a Shipwreck
Eugene Delacroix: Royal Tiger
Theodore Chasseriau: Young Jewish Woman of Algeria, Seated
Pompeo Girolamo Batoni: Portrait of a Young Man
Self-Portrait with Two Pupils, Mademoiselle Marie Gabrielle Capet (1761–1818) and Mademoiselle Carreaux de Rosemond (died 1788)
Jean-Antoine Houdon: Bust of Voltaire
Jean-Auguste-Dominique Ingres: Princesse de Broglie





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predictions:

first one-expect to hear the word "pear-shaped" tossed around a lot.

LOLWinecooler!

And boo for only have one statue, statues are teh win

In AP Art History we learned Fragonard's The Swing as the epitome of Rococo. However, The Shepherd's Idyll also works well, as one of Rococo's main characteristics is the unrealistic portrayal of the lives of shepherds and farmers as a peaceful, happy fantasy. (See also Marie Antoinette's hameau on the grounds of Versailles, where she could go play and pretend to be a shepherdess while still being rich and having no responsibilities.)

the gericault is a retread. silly usad.

C+
at best for the art selected
an okay David (not great, just average)
No Fragonard???
a ho-hum Boucher
A Delacroix litho??????? Romanticism is all about color and dynamic action
Though I did call "The Soap Bubble" I was hoping for better

So many sub par artists instead.........

Triple sigh for the artworks not mentioned

All in all, the art selections are easy on the eyes. I enjoy them. USAD never goes for the best of the best, so we always have to deal with a certain level of meh in the art and music curriculum.

D''accord, mais....
do you remember the Renaissance art show....not a bad one in this lot

I wonder if they have to deal with copyright(??)

And as for music(quick scan only so far) Mozart as French composer???

C'est la vie....
I'm primed, I'm ready for next year....Bon chance !!!

Agreed.

Well, if they picked the best stuff, everyone would already know everything about it.

Granted, seeing one piece by Fragonard would have been awesome.

Brings back memories of the Renaissance.

The one thing that surprised me was that there are no "strictly" FR paintings from David? I expected either the Tennis Court Oath, the Death of Marat, or one of his Napoleon paintings to be included. But I do have to say, the Death of Socrates is my favorite painting of all time, so it's good. Some of the others I don't like, othes I do - so . . . let the studying begin, well in 3 weeks.

Having read just a little bit on Fragonard, I'm sad to not see him here.

Death of Socrates has a lot more going on in it than Death of Marat, so maybe it was chosen for that purpose. You know how USAD likes to ask how many people are in the picture, or what's in some guy's left hand...

Really, though, I'd like to see more matters of interpretation on the exams. They wouldn't have to be subjective questions: the AP Art History test can deal with matters of interpretation just fine, and I'd like to see questions like that on the AP exams. Granted, they'd have to switch over to four answer choices from five to comply with good question-writing strategy, but I think it would be worth it in order to have questions more meaningful than "how many iron balustrades were on the second floor of the National Palace?" I was THERE, for Pete's sake, and didn't waste time counting balustrades, what with the amazing murals there to see.

Totally agree with you...Amazing that there was no architecture.....Did someone not notice Versailles?? I know about the IRTs, but mon Dieu!!!!! And where are my voluptuous pastel madamoiselles???? How can you even think rococo without seeing real beauty in full figured women (apologies to Kate Moss wannabees)??? I promise to stop my griping about these second rate selections.....but except for the Impressionists, this was THE time of French greatness in terms of artistry...this was their age. It's like talking about rock music but not mentioning the Beatles or the Stones, but focusing on Morrison (sp) or Kansas

enough

BTW, where are all those great portraits of the Great Homme de France (ok Corsica)??????? Quelle insulte de monde!!!!!

No architecture? You're right! Man, I'm surprised I failed to notice that. Architecture is hands-down my favorite type of artwork...that is a pity.

In fact, there's no architecture OR photography OR textiles OR commonly-used items. Granted, this isn't a photo-rich era, but it's hard to do basics about photography without a photograph in the curriculum. Doing basics on architecture and the other things will also be a little harder this year.

Knowing about lighting in a picture, though... BIG DEAL. I'd also guess that knowing about the development of paint will play a role. Look at the white in the last painting and compare it to earlier works. That white is SO much more brilliant than in the others! Why? Thank chemistry...

The basics of photography are always in the curriculum under art fundamentals, even when we study periods long before photography was invented (think Renaissance, Ancient Civ.) As it is, photography was only invented around the end of the time period covered in this year's curriculum, so it's not surprising. They do have one sort-of utilitarian ceramic item (the wine cooler) but I agree that more would be nice; from what I saw at Versailles, there's plenty of potential.

I am a little shocked they did not include the palace at Versailles. I mean... that's pretty basic stuff, USAD. The Hall of Mirrors is incroyable. How can that not be included?

Anyway, all the artworks are meh. They are all so... boring.

I disagree. Several paintings have an incredible liveliness to them - the Riderless Horse one comes to mind as an example. Voltaire's bust, however, is spectacular. I want a replica of it in my home. It's so lifelike, it's beyond creepy and actually comforting.

I'd say the picks were pretty good. All of them are at least easy on the eyes, and they have some pretty famous ones (Socrates, Voltaire's bust) mixed in with some less known ones. Plus, they didn't pick anything super super common (David's Marat, Napoleon in study, Coronation of Napoleon, Versailles) that lots of people would already know lots of stuff about (from like AP Art History or something). It's a good mix of fairly famous to not famous without the really famous stuff that would give some people a massive advantage, which I think is pretty good.

All the same, it's down to a matter of memorizing biographical details and elements in the paintings. They could have made us study bums that paint with ketchup on the sidewalk and it would be just as difficult.

But isn't it all about experiencing the moment in time? Can you really comprehend the Renaissance without Michelangelo's David or one of Leo's paintings? Aren't the so-called most famous pieces of the times the best to study because they best represent what the time speaks? Can you really understand Cubism, for example, without seeing the major works of Picasso or Braque? I would say that super common is super common because it is truly super superior. Do you learn more about America by studying Andrew Jackson or James Buchanon? Both should be interchangeable because they were both white males who were president during the first half of the 1800s. They even had white hair. Yet, they do not seem to be of the same significance...... that's all..... Easy on the eye is not what art is about (no disrespect intended).....why not look at what "lots of people would already know lots of stuff about (from like AP Art History or something)" the same way we look at Math. Some people are naturally talented at Art and are as adept at its understanding as others are at Calculus..isn't the calc wizard possessing an unfair advantage?? Just wondering....

You make a good point. But I guess the difference is that you can understand Roccoco art without The swing. Why? because there are tons of other roccoco paintings that perfectly exemplify rococo art. Should you study Fragonard? Sure, and the art curriculum will probably discuss him. Same with Neoclassical. They're going to discuss David (probably in depth), and study Socrates, even if they don't study Marat. So you still get the effect.
I guess the difference between that and your history analogy is that Jackson and Buchanan were different and made different contributions to American history. So you should study both, if you're going for a full analysis of U.S. History. but If you're writing a guide and you only have room for one, you should probably write about Buchanan because lots of people already know about Jackson. A.D. is supposed (in its purest form) to present new information, right? SO maybe that's what USAD was going for with the picks. Also, it's totally different from math. You can't totally understand without looking at calculus. So they test calculus. You can totally understand Neoclassical art without studying Marat. So they don't have to test Marat. They do however, need to look at some of the more famous neoclassical artists and analyze their effect on art, and that's what they will probably do as they discuss Socrates and David. Expect at least a reference to Marat and an analysis of David's influence on the FR in that section.

I'm not necesarily saying that I would have picked these pieces (I would have done it by artist: 3 or four from David, 2 or 3 from Delacroix, Versailles maybe, 2 or three from Fragonard, and 2 or 3 from another rococo artist). But I am saying that USAD did do a relatively good job in picking pieces. Not superb, but pretty good.

I really like the pieces they picked this year. Though they are not the famous pieces, it is expected from USAD. My class have come to learn that they will probably pick slightly well known artists but not their famous pieces. I think the only one that I would really consider famous is Soap Bubbles and the Death of Socrates is 2nd famous compared to the Death of Marat.

Amazing- You do bring up a good point that though they may not actually have pieces on Marat, I expect it to be mentioned just because he is a famous icon figure in David's artistic life. The least they would do is mention the piece but I do expect USAD do go into more details

AP Art History covers a lot of those artworks....

which is precisely my point.... you can drive in any car to get from A to B - you can drive in a Caddy or you can drive in a Pinto. AP Art history focuses on the greats, USAD focuses on (no disrespect) the Pontiacs because obscurities or second class works will make people study harder??? And just because "we" think lots of people know something (given the state of education I would not bet on it) doesn't mean we throw it out. We just make worthier questions. I yield the field with two more objections....when you want to get the essence of Delacroix seared into the hearts of the knowing (one might say hyperbolically) do you choose "tiger" or "Death of Sardanopoulis"? When you want to show those who want to learn about cars, do you show them a Mercedes or a Mercury.... Je suis finis. Ca c'est toute. Hier stehe ich...and all that.

I am pretty sure we will have Liberty Leading the People by delacriox selected. I didnt see that posted so just a mention

Nope. Got a tiger sketch from Delacroix, instead. Check the official works list at: http://usad.org/students/outlines_2009_2010/art_outline.asp

Thats weak, I wanted that piece because it was easy, awesome, and epic

Three criteria USAD seems able to avoid applying to their choices...

I’m visiting France this summer and was just wondering if any of the selected artworks were at the Louvre. I had heard that they were all in NYC but then the art guide says one of them is in Washington DC and Los Angeles. Anybody know where they're at?

Most are at the Met. USAD loves to find foreign works on US soil.

Does your art guide say all the others are in New York at least?

The online links to the works all go to the Metropolitan in New York. Check 'em out.

I'm reading art right now - the section 1 overview of rococo art spends about half a page discussing Versailles. Fragonard is mentioned too. Napoleon Crossing the Alps by Jacques Louis David is shown in the resource guide.. it's just not an selected piece. For Eugene Delacroix's bio, they do talk about Liberty Leading the People. USAD isn't skimping out on the essentials at all, just trying to lessen some peoples' advantages, which I think is a good idea.

mrrrg: Math does lessen people's advantages in that it covers so much.. the ap calc people didnt score that much higher on our team because they needed to review earlier concepts that we were learning, and already knew. you also have to be really fast

Thanks, I was just wondering about all the art that was mentioned..not just the selected pieces. I think that all the selected ones are at the Met, thanks for your help.

USAD does tend to mention the high points in the RG, but skimp on the selections...

You guys are complaining that there isn't any Architecture?! No Versailles?!
You want to count balstrades on that thing?

Amen there's no Versailles. If they can make kids miss questions over a wine cooler, good luck when they have 2000 acres.

7. How many mirrors are in the hall of mirrors?


You know that they would do this....and this would be an easy question.

After reading through a little over half this guide and skimming the rest is anybody else finding this guide disgustingly easy and a total repeat?

I'm finding it an easy read, but I'm certainly not complaining. It's keeping me interested, despite the fact that it repeats itself every so often.

A huge thanx to you, Katerific, for putting this together!

We just went to the Amon Carter Museum presentation on the AcDec art. It was a great walk through the packet and we always enjoy the trip.

you're awesome.
QUESTION?
who 'sponsored' the salons?
kay, spanks y'all.

How is this incroyable?

Does anyone else think that incroyable doesn't sound like it should be a word?

did anyone else just google incroyable?

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