I have not done much research yet, but wanted to start posting online small school scores. If you have any information, please feel free to add. Thanks!

41,621 John Paul II (Tex)
41,190 Moniteau (Penn)
40,509 Oakwood (Ohio)
36,071 North Tama (Iowa)
35,000 Monmouth Acad(Maine)
??,??? Reitz (Ind)
??,??? Lourdes (Neb)
??,??? Chattahooche (GA)
??,??? Ketchikan (Alaska)
??,??? Corbett (Oregon)

All of the purple schools here are online small school teams:
http://acadecscores.gilslotd.com/wiki/State/2010

Besides the ones you already posted, they are:
Oakwood High School Ohio 40,509
Monmouth Academy Maine 35,440
Chattahoochee County High School Georgia ???
Ketchikan High School Alaska ???
Corbett High School Oregon ???

And if you know any Iowa/North Tama individual scores we can add to the Honor, Scholastic, and Varsity lists, that would be sweet.

John Paul II is definitely Texas. Expect St. Johns to be the Small School representative from Arizona, though.

Unless University wins California you can expect them to be the small school rep. They were >47K at regionals.

It would kinda suck if a private school (even one from texas) won e-nats.

Not too different from a magnet charter school winning, in my eyes...

cough *Whitney Young* cough. Although I have great respect for that school, but man it must be an advantage for the type of kids they can get.

Actually, that was more from my own experiences with University. Specifically, 2007, when they beat us out for first by 147 points.

Whitney Young is consistently good and consistently diverse. Admissions at Whitney Young are not purely test-based and there is a mandate for racial and socioeconomic diversity in its admissions policy. Ethnically, it's only about 30% caucasian, not a feature you'll find in most private schools. Something like 50% of the students qualify for free lunch, and most take public transit to school. I encourage you not to base your image off what Jeff Daniels had to say in Cheaters.

Just to focus this topic, I need small school scores that will be taking online nationals. Thanks

Saint Johns HS Arizona 34,930
University HS California 47,443
Vail Christian HS Colorado 28,377
Georgia 28,957
Wilder HS Idaho 27,664
John Glenn HS Indiana 30,753
North Tama HS Iowa 36,071
Monmouth Academy Maine 35,440
Lake Crystal Wellcome Memorial Minnesota 30,672
Lourdes Central Catholic Nebraska 35,290
Waldwick HS New Jersey 33,940
Westhill HS New York 29,964
Youngstown Christian HS Ohio 35,413
Northeast Academy Oklahoma 29,226
Moniteau HS Pennsylvania 41,791
John Paul II HS Texas 41,621
Morgan Park HS Utah 33,413
Marathon HS Wisconsin 37,571

So, anyone know whether University beat the 5000-point spread?

We have to wait another week and a half before we receive online results, , but I will go out on a limb and say University won.

I'm calling an upset, in favor of St. Johns.

Because that would be HolyGodRidiculous.

Wait, has the competition happened already? If so, it's unexcusable that USAD takes a week and a half for results.

Dude, USAD once took a month for Small School Online results. Dirty bastards.

takes a week and a half to get results on a digital test because they are winging it. seriously. should be able to have scores immediately, even if you don't have other team scores. all you coaches doing online contests need to speak up collectively. 10 days to wait for results from a computer centered exam can only mean they have screw ups and can't figure out how to fix them. How do you know the screw ups were fixed? I don't like it, I tell you. Put kids on a plane to someplace new for a competition and you have changed that kid forever. Communities will get their kids to nationals. The problem is... USAD may be tired of finding hosts for competitions. Plus, a national meet with criteria different from the qualifying competition (no speech or interview). What if a team is great in speaking events and that pushes them to the top of their state... but they may not be the most qualified team for the nationals criteria of 8 events. Throw out the speech and interview scores and send the team with the highest 8 events being tested. The whole thing needs some work, and coaches need to apply the pressure and suggestions.

It's always been like this. It's not because there are screwups, it's because USAD is lazy.

in other words, USAD is not providing a product that equals the intensity and dedication of the teams participating.

Yep, pretty much.

But since that was, at the end of the year, my only form of a national competition, I didn't complain too much.

Last year it took USAD over a month to send us our scores (and that means it took them seven weeks to give us our essay scores!!!). Its kindof ridiculous.
I can understand a couple day lag for them to review all the questions people flag, but anything past 2-3 days is crazy.
Does anyone know if this year do we get to know our scores online before we get out medals. How will we/our coaches find out?

E-nats makes for some awkward conversations:
Me: I am going to be gone next week for nationals.
Teacher: Oh congrats! Where will nationals be?
Me: The computer lab. >.>
(after nats)
Teacher: So, how did nats go?
Me: I don't know yet
Teacher: ...hasn't it been a week?

edit: But I won't complain too much. E-nats is better than no nats.

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Last year it took USAD over a month to send us our scores (and that means it took them seven weeks to give us our essay scores!!!). Its kindof ridiculous.
I can understand a couple day lag for them to review all the questions people flag, but anything past 2-3 days is crazy.
Does anyone know if this year do we get to know our scores online before we get out medals. How will we/our coaches find out?

E-nats makes for some awkward conversations:
Me: I am going to be gone next week for nationals.
Teacher: Oh congrats! Where will nationals be?
Me: The computer lab. >.>
(after nats)
Teacher: So, how did nats go?
Me: I don't know yet
Teacher: ...hasn't it been a week?

edit: But I won't complain too much. E-nats is better than no nats.






Agreed, E-nats is better than no nats. But it should not take so long for the results for something electronic. I know the USAD office runs on limited man(woman)power but with technical prowess, we should be able to get the results within three days.

Good luck to all of the teams. Thanks for competing.

y'all are too nice ... "enats better than no nats". that's the leverage. coaches shouldn't be so desperate as to accept such a low quality product. we coaches are immersed in acadec, it is often the focal point of our day... we wake up thinking about it... go to sleep worrying about it. does the competition equal the preparation?

USAD can barely run normal nats. I don't think a small/medium school one is plausible atm.

This is our third year taking the online tests and every year has had the same wait time. Not to be a USAD apologists but...priority needs to be paid to the "Live" Nationals. Would I like the results quicker, especially considering we took the essays three weeks ago, yes but I can understand that the focus is on those who made it to Omaha. Overall, we are happy to still be competing.

Last year they told us that they would send us the results in two weeks and it took a month. I hope that is not the case for this year.
And the chance to go to physical nats is a good incentive for smaller schools who have no/little competition to make it to enats.

I wish they would have e-nationals before regular nationals - they could give the results at regular nationals and place them in the nationals packet. It makes the year last sooooo much longer-- i'd rather move on to the next year and try to get to nationals instead of waiting for two months to take tests online and then wait weeks for the results that should be almost instant.....

The problem with that is enats and live nats have the exact same tests (hence why we take them at the same time). I like that we have the same tests for both nats.

I agree, the fact that we are taking the same tests at the same time, makes the fact that we are in a computer lab seem less pathetic. I know my kids were anxious to see the results from "LIVE" nats and see what they perceived to be the hard and easy tests and the scores. When we finally recive our scores from E-nats...it will be nice to compare.

I don't know and it is irritating when adults running the show do not show enough respect for the tremendous work that students put into this competition.

Someone asked me today if the results took so long to get because they were running statistical tests to scope out cheating.
Does that make sense to anyone? Is it possible to do?

And yes, the competition season seems to lengthen exponentially when you agree to do the online nationals.

No, USAD is just too lazy to send out an e-mail in a timely manner.

That's plausible. I'm pretty sure I remember the USAD investigators in the movie Cheaters accusing Steinmetz using several very specific statistics besides the oft-quoted "six of the 12 students in the nation who scored over 900 points on the math test came from Steinmetz High School"

...Very specific statistics like data about QUESTIONS alone (not the tests as a whole).

USAD is certainly taking way too long to publicize the results, but I'm just saying that could be a factor in the delay.

Also, how do the e-nationals awards work? Do they just mail off medals and scores?

They mail your team all the medals your team members won. Scores are e-mailed. So, you get the medal two weeks after you find out you've won it.

Even if you are doing statistical analysis to catch cheaters...that would take a day. And would be mostly automated after the first year you set it up. They have the data per question already electronically entered...statistical tests are not hard to perform once you have the data in. Generally - if you are going to catch someone...the data will stick out like a sore thumb. If they were slick about it...you are not going to have enough conclusive evidence anyway. The only thing that might take time is if you suspect someone, you would maybe want to do further research by looking into state scores.

University HS California 35,696
Moniteau HS Pennsylvania 32,944
John Paul II HS Texas 29,562
North Tama HS Iowa 26,967
Marathon HS Wisconsin 24,598
Youngstown Christian HS Ohio 23,540
Lourdes Central Catholic Nebraska 22,711
Waldwick HS New Jersey 22,064
St. Johns HS Arizona 21,629
Monmouth Academy Maine 20,887
Morgan Park HS Utah 20,651
John Glenn HS Indiana 19,558
Wilder HS Idaho 17,657
Lake Crystal Wellcome Memorial Minnesota 17,350
Northeast Academy Oklahoma 16,736
Southbank International London 15,331
Vail Christian HS Colorado 12,556
Bishop Ward Kansas 11,376
Westhill HS New York 9,781
Mt. Pleasant HS Tennessee 8,519

Honors

x University HS California 6352
x University HS California 6256
Clarissa Kimmey Moniteau HS Pennsylvania 6173

Scholastic

x University HS California 6431
Tony Miller Moniteau HS Pennsylvania 5556
Phil Kristufek Moniteau HS Pennsylvania 5290

Varsity

x University HS California 5859
x University HS California 5539
Roman Weingartner Moniteau HS Pennsylvania 5152

Well done Moniteau. Good work dominating. Yous guys performed spectacularly, it seems. And good work Youngstown Christian again!!!