People posting in this thread want serious answers, not derailments, not ad hominem attacks, not partisan screed... ANSWERS.

Discuss intelligently and do your research. Failure to do so will result in opprobrium heaped upon your post(s).

There are a number of people derailing threads.

You are hereby requested to stop derailing threads in this forum. Go derail the NOT Serious threads.

A number of people need reminders about this. Do not derail threads or make unintelligent, worthless posts in this forum. This applies especially to threads in the nature of a debate. If you have nothing constructive to contribute to a debate, please don't.

Also, if you're posting stuff in here that's not controversial, that's fine. In fact, probably better. Just because there isn't a real pro/con on something doesn't mean it's not serious.